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Mark Sherwood
The best selling author, Dr. Mark Sherwood, discusses his proven formula to achieve a 3-5% fat loss per month without dieting. He discusses how peptides can help achieve long term success in maintaining a healthy weight.
Hi, hi, this doctor can’t hold tour for another episode of the peptide summit. And today we have dr. Mark Sherwood, and he’s going to be talking about managing the obesity crisis and shedding pounds with peptides, which is just such a huge problem in our society nowadays. So he’s gonna let you know how to fix that. Um, he’s got an amazing background and he works with his, with his wife, he’s naturopathic doctor, and his wife is a Dio. Uh, they have full time wellness based practice in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Uh, it’s called the functional medicine Institute where they adopt the whole person approach, um, which is outcome based on really individual needs. Their goal is to lead people down a pathway of true healing to the end that there are two purposes to eradicate lifestyle driven conditions. Um, so it sounds like it really partner with the patient, um, and, uh, and, and to get for, uh, for optimal health and to really eliminate the usage of unnecessary medications that just, you know, uh, mask the symptoms and wait until you get, Oh, you get this medication when you got heart disease.Â
Why not prevent it 20 years earlier, uh, through their unique clinic, uh, they use a lot of different diagnostic tests, including genetics, and we’re loving the genetics tests. I think it’s really helpful or genomics, I should say. Um, uh, bioimpedance neurotransmitter testing, vascular aging, um, and that ultrasound, uh, we have the vascular ultrasound. We had one, I love those, uh, stress management, which especially nowadays my gosh. Um, I think you need to come to our office, um, a couple of hosts, a weekly television program, Aaron regionally in the Midwest. Uh, they serve patient nearly every state, um, and several countries around the world.Â
He’s completed training certifications and age management. Uh, Nutrogenomix uh, Nutrogenomix peptide therapy, hormone therapy, stress management, GI hell than immunology. And as we’ve talked about these really all go together and that’s key with kind of standard medicine. It’s like everything’s compartmentalized, but you put them all together. That’s really where the power is. Um, they have coauthored three Amazon number one bestselling books, pretty incredible. Uh, the quest for wellness fork, your diet good title, and surviving the garden of Eden. Uh, they have been on, uh, national TVs quoted on CNN and they’re regularly, uh, regular contributors to many national publications and they have a full length movie fork. Your diet, uh, that has had over 15 million minutes viewed in the U S and the UK, but pretty amazing stuff. And now production of a second motion picture, uh, with the broad social media network, uh, that spans the globe, um, uh, dr. Mark and Michelle’s influence are far reaching.Â
Uh, the couple understands the importance of nutrition, medical, food, supplementation, exercise programs, rest. Yeah, you don’t sleep. You don’t lose weight. Um, stress management is huge, easier said than done. So I’d love to hear how he solves that problem. I need some advice on that, uh, hormone balancing peptide therapy, of course, uh, and functional movement and functional medicine. So he’s really makes them the modern day. They’re the dynamic duel duel of wellness. So, so nice to have you Mark. We’ve spoken a lot and I’ve told people, Oh my gosh, he’s just the most pleasant, uh, polite person with no ego, uh, which is, which is wonderful. So I, I thank you so much for taking the time to come on the summit and really looking forward to, uh, what your knowledge and to share with our viewers.
Can I really appreciate it? It’s really not hard to be here, and it’s been a, the utmost pleasure to get to know you. So I feel extremely blessed and extremely grateful to be here. And I’m excited about the information we get to share together, because without question, and I want the listeners to hang on because it’s going to help them with a hundred percent certainty, use the principles we’re going to give you right now. And it will absolutely work to help eliminate this obesity. And I’m going to use the word pandemic. That’s exactly what’s happening right now,Â
Pandemic for every, it’s not minimizing it,
Anything else, but we have more people than coven. You bet. And we’ll talk about those disease processes and it’s, it’s not that hard to fix. If you just have a formula that works and we’ve got data, that’ll show you have over 500 people over the last 12 months that we’ve tracked. So it’s going to be cool.
Wow. Did you have a book coming out? The beer diet,
Just taking the gluten. It’s all good.
Okay. There are a lot of health benefits to beer. Actually.
There you go.
Sorry, antimicrobial. But yeah. So tell me, like, you know, how long these peptides, when did you incorporate this in your practice? Tell me how this kind of,
Yeah. We heard, um, a doctor named Edwin Lee speak on peptides and
Intrigued. Cause I had heard of the summit. Yeah. Yeah. Just amazing,
Man. Just again, a very nice guy, very unique in his approach. And I heard him, I was like completely blown away and intrigued and I said, I’ve got to learn more. So we went on this quest that lasted about a year to really learn these things. So we started kind of exploring the data about maybe two and a half years ago. And we’ve probably been using the peptides now about a year and a half.
Isn’t that great. Like when I give lectures on peptides and like the doctors say, how come I never heard of this? Cause there’s hundreds and hundreds of studies, but because they can’t be patented most of them, um, that who’s going to bring them out, who’s going to, you know, basically put them out as a pharmaceutical and they’re compounded right now. Or we have them out as a, as you know, as supplements and we’re bringing out more and we actually have a weight loss, one coming out, low molecular weight, cell wall peptide. So I want to get that to you
Feedback,
Uh, decreases ghrelin, which lowers appetite increases leptin. And as you know, so leptin goes up when you gain weight,
The brain has stopped storing energy,
Increase your metabolism, decrease your appetite, increase your thyroid. But when you get inflammation, uh, you start gaining weight, you get leptin resistance. So the leptin goes to the brain, but the brain doesn’t see it. So your brain thinks your body’s starving. And tell us about you to gain weight and, uh, lowers your metabolism, lowers your thyroid. Um, so, uh, we’re, we’re excited about that, but, um, and so you started using, so let’s say someone comes in as a, Hey, I can’t lose weight. Uh, my husband doesn’t believe me. He thinks I’m eating Bon bons and in the closet, uh, exercise every day nothing’s happening. How do you approach that?
Well, you gotta approach them from a holistic standpoint. Uh, you know, cam from number one, you know, are they getting asleep? Cause as we talked prior to coming on, if you don’t get enough rest, you’re going to drive that cortisol animal. As we call it, driving yourself to this condition, we call fat loss resistance and that’s just the body’s natural survival mechanism. So we gotta look at stress. We gotta look at lifestyle. We gotta look at current age in life because hormones are going to play a part. And you mentioned correctly that the more, um, elevated adipose tissue that have the more left and they’ll have, and that signal is supposed to say, Hey, it’s time to turn up the thyroid, but it would have become so elevated. It becomes where the body says, I can’t hear that signal anymore. And they have a lot of joint pain suite.Â
We talk a lot about dietary principles. We don’t put any money on the diet. We will give them a list of foods to eat. We’ll give them a compressed window, which with two heat inside, we’ll talk to them about the benefits of fasting, how to incorporate that, the benefits of feasting, how to do that. When that happens, we measure their body composition. I don’t want to know a weight loss. I want to know percent body fat, even though weight is a, is a measurable of course. And so we’ll put them through all that gamut. And then we talk about peptides. I like to think pep ties or the missing link or the secret weapon, if you will, to really making someone go from a good program to perhaps a great program with predictable results. And we really try to get people down and the percent of body fat range, two to 3% reduction per month. And we’ve been very successful with that.
That’s nice. And like, we’ll check, you know, people come in and say, I can’t lose weight. I’ve wrecked my metabolism. Everyone says, Oh yeah, right. And we’ll check their, you know, basal metabolic rate. And we find that also like sick people, uh, anyone with inflammation, diabetes, uh, that have significantly died. Studies show, if you like do drastic diets, like let’s say three times in a row, which, who hasn’t done, that it drops your metabolism and you go back to normal eating it doesn’t go back. And so we find they’re about 25% lower metabolism. Um, so they have to eat 500 calories less just to stay normal. And so they’re starting.
Okay. Oh, that’s right.
And uh, and they’re, you know, thyroid’s low even though the, the tests are normal. Um, so yeah, I think it takes all, all those different things. So if someone comes in and they can’t lose weight with the first thing you said, you talked about sleep. What, what labs do you
Do? Yeah, we’re going to use a comprehensive panel. I like to do one that sort of encompasses all of our vascular inflammatory markers, because if you have a lack of good blood flow, you know, the principle is the life from the blood, right? So how do we transfer things to the bloodstream without good flow? I want to know their inflammatory markers from the Omega index as well. Vitamin D I’ll look at certainly blood sugar, the clamps classic markers, the hemoglobin AOC and the glucose. But I also look at and put a lot of stock in a C-PAP to and insulin because I find that that’s the underlying trigger. You can really see these people that are insulin resistance before they’re actually clinically referred to as instant resistant. Then finally, I want to look at their hormones, not just from the thyroid, not just TSH, maybe T4. We’re going to look at TSH T four T three, reverse T three and the antibodies, and then a full hormone picture, of course, along with our complete blood chemistry, which is standard of care.Â
And then our hematology. So we’ll do a complete panel right up front because I want the best, um, you know, observatory picture. I can have their live and then it’s up to us. Isn’t it to convince them that we know we’re talking about and teach them right. If they understand it makes sense anybody is going to go, man. It goes from here to the heart and then it becomes normal. That’s the only way to get lifestyle change Kent. When you go from, you know, knowledge is going to become internalized. And once you do that, people believe in and it becomes something we do. And it’s not something, even though it’s counterintuitive to our culture, right? It goes a different, it will sound very normal because frankly people should not. And I repeat, not be walking around with excess body fat that is abnormal to our physiology. It’s abnormal to our genetics. It’s not something we should expect and accept as normal. That’s just accepting sort of mediocrity if you will, in our world. And we can do better than that.
Yeah. And so it sounds like you also look at optimal and like you look at testosterone ranges for men is every decade they dropped significantly. And because they take 95% of the people it’s just lower and lower as normal. Uh, and so it’s like, you know, basically you’re getting the, if you, if it was 30 years ago, you’d be low. Oh, now you’re normal. Or it’s like heart diseases, normal or cancers normal, you know, it’s crazy.
Can you say that? Because it’s like, I look at those labs, those normal ranges. And when someone says, you know, again, not poking fun at anybody when they say my doctor said it was normal. I’m like, no, that kind of freaks me out because that tells me we’re using these normal ranges from a normal sick population saying you fit right in there. Stop Maddox, who they check the sick.
Yeah. And people are, you know, right then the lowest two and a half percent is that where you got a D minus, Oh, don’t treat it. You know,
We will, uh, we’re gonna optimize things. And, and I hope people don’t take this wrong, but you know, labs are simply pieces of information. And our job is to look at those things as pieces of information. But man, we gotta treat people. I gotta treat Kent kids gotta treat Mark. And I, I can care a lot about those labs, but if I start treating a lab, I have lost sight of the individual person. And that makes personalized healthcare, uh, kind of what it’s not supposed to be. And most likely that happens a lot. And maybe this summit is a way people can kind of get out of that box a little bit and realize, you know, there’s another way to approach it. That’s going to give you a predictable, beneficial outcomes. That’s going to optimize your life.
I love that. I tell patients and we do big set of labs. It sounds like you do. And try to paint a picture and um, tell me how you do. You incorporate the genomics and into that.
Sure do. And I like to look at the genes in a way, and this is a, this is a cool way to understand it in the sense that the genes are like a dam in a, in a, in a river. And I’ve explained this to patients like this and they get it and even clinicians. So the dam has to sort of deal with upstream processes. The upstream processes come in two categories. Number one is those things we do control and those things we don’t control. So the dam has this interaction with the genes, and this is this Neutrogen gnomic or perhaps epi genetic environment, genetic expression. And the Dan has to make a decision. If the dams are genes, it has to deal with this stuff and make a decision to handle that water out downstream downstream would represent perhaps disease process or dysfunction. And classic medicine is if a little floodwater comes up, we’re going to throw a sandbag at it. The sandbags like a pill. Now, does that help? Is it necessary perhaps about that long, but it doesn’t solve the upstream problems.Â
So I want to know how someone’s dam works so that I can give the right things coming into that so that I get the right expression downstream and get this. We can predictably increase disease resilience by putting our genes in the right environment. Therefore, we get the correct expression and it gives us great confidence. So we see many, many disease processes go away. There’s a kind of behind me, there’s a big vase full of empty pill bottles. And so become a master of the prescription because it’s not, the prescriptions were bad. It’s just graded function now. So there’s not a dysfunction that the symptoms are being treated with that
No, they don’t have a statin deficiency or a Prozac deficiency. And I think it’s, it’s great to using those. You, instead of shotgunning, you go, here’s the supplements you need. That’s right. And our way to patient with mass cell and she had a stiffer, it doesn’t make B6 gave her B6 asthma went away. Yup. You know, and it’s just, it’s, it’s really nice. So you can actually target those back to that precision medicine that, that you’re saying and upstream healing.
Yeah, exactly. And if we would look at things differently, upstream healing is really looking at disease as a nonexistent non needed process. And here’s what I mean by that. If diseases are nothing more than groups of symptoms, they cluster together to name, but I think we’d all agree. That’s probably what it is. If we would eliminate the clusters of symptoms by going upstream and figuring out what caused those symptoms in the first place, therefore disease becomes unnecessary. And we really got to stop focusing to become perhaps master diagnosticians and become master upstream diagnosticians instead of downstream. And that would give us a, probably a better perspective. We need both ends, but if we can master the upper end, we’re going to go long ways because I fully believe that the majority of our illnesses today that are rampant rampaging our nation and around our world, and frankly started in America. A lot of them are driven by lifestyle choices, if you will.
And so, uh, so I think what you’re saying is that you may have the genes, but you can turn those off.
You can jeans. Um, you know, we don’t treat the genes. We have to understand that we can’t change the genes, but through epigenetic modification, we can change the expression of those things to make them express themselves or speak or act or appropriate to our benefit. And that’s wonderful when you look at that, because for years and years, we thought the genes were stuck and you’re stuck with what you got and too bad, so sad deal with it. But now I understand that just because one has a set of genes, I like to look at it like this man. That’s freaking empowering. I want to know man empowers me if I got the AP poli, for which I know that’s part of our subject, but that’s, for those of you listening, that’s like the heart attack gene and, or the Alzheimer’s disease gene. So if I got those, I want to know, because I want to know what to do and take the, the weight of susceptibility off of that through lifestyle. And wouldn’t, you know, you can do that, which is really cool.
And you can probably go from increased risk for heart disease and Alzheimer’s to lower risks than average by interventions,
Without question, a hundred percent certainty. Yeah,
I did. I really think, I think that’s awesome. And uh, we’re really looking at, at the big picture. Um, and so, so tell me how, uh, peptides play, play a part in this.
Yeah. So Pat ties, I use them a lot to sort of, um, lace into a lifestyle protocol and I’ve prepared a PowerPoint for us if I, if I might at this point.
So let’s, let’s go ahead and do the PowerPoint,
Great time to show the PowerPoint to people right now. And here it is. So I think everyone should see that right now. And obviously we know that the, the obesity crisis is horrible. And I just, some, a couple of statistics here that we can see, I was looking back at 2000 by the color code map. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand everybody that certainly in 2000, there were very, very few States that were, uh, you know, really a problem. We saw some of them approaching 40%, but that was in the South. And that was rare. What we go forward just nearly two decades. And we see it’s shocking. Some States are over 50%. You project that on out. And this is, this is what I find is just terrible. Look at this map. This is projected by 2030. Now obesity is going to be the norm.
It is now granted. Yes, people would say, um, obesity is measured by BMI, which is I get it. It’s fallible. I mean, my wife and I just because we have muscle in our frame, we are, we are obese by that measure, but this is not the norm either. This is a great way to measure populations, statistics, so we can sort of dismiss it. It really means something. You go certainly down in the numbers today. If you want percentages, this is what it is right here for the obesity rates as of today. And this is men 35.5% women, 37 that’s right now. Now we talked about just a few moments ago, the idea that these obesity rates and obesity itself contributes to disease. Let’s pull this off the CDC. I mean, clearly we have these all causes of death, all mortality, but we can read there.
Some of these things, again, let’s understand that heart disease is still the number one killer of men and women across our country. I mean, I don’t want to know why that is. I don’t want to manage it. I don’t want to deal with it. I don’t want to have it. So isn’t it better to be pre habilitative rather than rehabilitative with our processes. Now it’s very understand. We got to mix a little science into this and I want to show a chart right now. That’s a little bit cumbersome, but it’s going to show two pathways, two pathways, one being of a building pathway, and one of a, a cleanup pathway, the body’s to build appropriately and clean up appropriately. And this will give people an idea of how we can use peptides to benefit us. Here’s the pathway right here. And it’s a little confusing.
So I’m just going to use my mouth and I’m going to be looking to my left cause I haven’t had a screen over here. So as you can see the mouse on the screen, this is the M Tor pathway. And there will be a test. Yes, there’s a, there’s a 15 question test that will not be open PowerPoint. Right? But the idea is in tour, it has a name it’s called mammalian target of rapamycin. But nonetheless, I just want people to see quickly what up-regulate system I’ll start over here in the right corners cytokine. So we’re talking about a cytokine storm has been much in the news lately. So this is inflammation. So inflammation is going to trigger it. We also know that there’s iron and there is high fructose corn syrup.Â
There is EMF, right? You know, this, this electromagnetic frequencies. And then we see dairy over here, these hormones in our meats and things like that. We see pesticides and low and behold over here, we see this thing called a T P. That is energy. So this entire pathway is going to sense when we’re, when we’re fed, when we’re in a fed state. So if we’re not the fetch day, the body will bounce out, Have him tour and go into autophagy, which I’ll talk about in just a moment. But right here, People of note, this IGF one, yeah. Stands for insulin like growth factor one, and this can be measured in blood. And we want to optimize that thing. We don’t want to have it chronically upregulated, but we don’t want to have the tank either. This one is going to signal M Torres. Well, when mTOR is working right, and it’s supposed to, we’re able to build things like muscles, like repair cells.Â
That is good. However, if we are building things that from a dysfunctional state, that would mean clearly dysfunction upon dysfunction upon this function. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that if we have broken cells that are continuing to build and build and build, that could be a player in this disease process, call cancer. So we don’t want to have em, tore up regulated all the time. So we need to mix it a little bit of fasting. We need to up to up regulate this pathway called autophagy, which is cellular cleanup. I like to look at like cellular cleanup as a building, that’s become the lab, did laminated like torn down and we didn’t go in there and fix it up. So it can be repaired again. That’s our physical bodies. Isn’t it? I mean, we certainly need to be understanding that our body’s going to break down. It needs to be cleaned up, break down and clean up. So understand over here, there are peptides that will up-regulate this pathway. And there are peptides that will up-regulate this pathway. And if we can use those appropriately, the body will not be growing as rapidly with generating excess fat over and over again. When we’re an autophagy, we can break down fat when we’re an M Tor. We can’t.Â
So that’s the key point here. I want people to take away now, again, very busy pathway. If somebody wants to study this, they can these in the orange or all these different genes that matter. So that’s another discussion for another day, probably. But when we talk about the peptides to use, based upon building and cleaning up here is the protocol. And I went ahead and put exactly what they are. We use Sermorelin and, or CJC 1295, if a Moreland and the way these guys work is they will in a secondary sibling manner, they will upregulate your own body’s production of growth hormone, which goes down the pathway to eventually make IGF one. So these will help build this will give you more of a youthful appearance with your skin, with your body healing, with body fat loss and yes, muscle building. So these are good. Now the only caveat is with this one is I want people to understand that if a Moreland, I know you spoke of Grayland earlier within our discussion, this one will upregulate Graylin. So it can up regulate the hunger just a bit. So I have lean more towards this guy over here, this Sermorelin to upregulate the pathway.Â
Now you can, can you just describe what those are? Yeah. So these sort of Moreland and CJC 1295 these are peptides that are gonna, they, they operate on these G protein receptors that are outside the cell. So many times when people take a hormone, it has to sort of hit and a receptor, right? So these don’t have to do that. They can sort of go by and knock on the door and say to the cell, Hey, I need you to behave yourself tonight. So we take these typically I like them before bed so that our bodies will respond well by producing quality growth hormone. Like we produced this, we weren’t younger, so right. It makes sense. Alright. And then I like to use the BPC one 57, the thymus and beta four, and the MOTS here for these reasons BPC one 57 is going to induce healing. So think about better cleanup process reduction of inflammation and through the process of possible autophagy, thymus, and beta four is going to upregulate the proper immune function, reduce inflammation. And again, induce autophagy.Â
Cause we saw cytokines when they build up, they’re going to upregulate the building process. And then we’ll use Moss is going to upregulate, amp, K, and autophagy. And if we look one, one time back at that, and then we’ll jump forward, there’s autophagy there’s inventory. And we really want to make sure we have a balance between those two. So if we use the, those peptides and I’m going to give you an order with which to use those two and even dosages, that’s worked very well, which works nice. So here’s our, here’s our pep ties. And we go forward. We have to talk about exercise too. Cause I already told you that strength training would upregulate him Torin cardiovascular training up-regulates autophagy. So if we have a for instance, exercise protocol, it says strength training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and then Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday, maybe some cardio on cardio days. We’re going to compress our eating as we talked about so that we’re not, uh, eating all the time, not having presence for calories. And we want more time in an, in an unfed state or a fastest state. And then we look forward here. Here’s our rotation schedule.Â
So as strength training is on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, we’re going to use Sermorelin or CJC 1295. Now this 0.2 is 0.2, zero milliliters S Q means subcutaneous. So I hope everybody is not unfamiliar with what the term is, but we’re talking about this subcutaneous injection into our fat in our belly with a little bitty baby insulin needle. And the promise you, it does not hurt one bit, maybe mosquito bite at the most, mostly nothing. It’s so easy. Men can do it. Yeah. I’ve had guys that are more scared, you know, than that. And I, in the South, we have a saying, don’t be scared and they’re not scared when they do it. They actually are like, I can’t believe I’m giving myself a shot.Â
So they, they grow confident like that. So maybe they’re better fathers like that. I don’t know. I’m hoping, but Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday, these would be our cardio days, right? Cardio is going to upregulate autophagy. So we’re going to capitalize on that. We’re going to repair. Remember BPC was repairing, it was recovering. It was redoing things. We’re going to work on five as somebody to four. Cause that will absolutely. Down-regulate the inflammatory action and improve immune function. And in March from these three guys game changers, they will induce a lot of fat loss. So we’ve got our proper building and then we’ve got our fat loss. So with BPC, you can use it subcutaneous or oral. Great, no problem. Find the skin subcutaneous or oral and mods. It’s going to be subcutaneous. And it gets,
You mentioned, you said, you know, BBC subcutaneous oral, it was studies show that oral and shots they’re equal potent for systemic. And I don’t know, uh, I think we sent you some of our thymus and beta for fragment, which is orally active. Um, and so I’d love to hear your feedback on that. And I just got it, but, uh, yeah, the Motzy you can’t, you can’t do orally for, you know, for people who don’t want to, um, uh, do the shots. And I, I think like I won’t exercise unless I’m doing the peptides cause I’m like I got to exercise three times as long, right?
Yup. That’s really, you know, the, the thing about exercise, uh, you know, a lot of times we put so much emphasis on that. It doesn’t take much. I mean, uh, but when you have a sort of a program or a protocol that you can say, like, for example, if on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday, if I could just dedicate 15, 20 minutes to a well-designed very efficient strength training program, that’s enough. It really is enough. And then with the cardio, uh, you just need to move more, move more, sit less. I mean, on my computer, I little thing that pops up for every 20 minutes I need to stand up, right. Just standing up will sorta help upregulate even the, uh, the enzyme lipase, which is great to break down fat, my standing up. Um, and this is great because I just started using thymus and beta for about a week and a half ago. Thank you for that. And that was awesome. Um, but you’re right. I was looking at the studies and lot of efficacy. So someone says, man, I don’t want to stick a needle in myself every day. Okay.Â
Use oral. And certainly this is just a suggestion. This is what we do. We’ll go three times a week for seven weeks. Each of these, as we roll through this and we will keep bouncing these things in and out. And we’ve incredible results. Now, I guess I would be remiss if I didn’t give somebody a little bit of, you know, kind of idea of what to eat. You know, again, I told you before and we don’t do diets. So, you know, how do you mix this in? And what does that look like just really quick? And then we’ll come back to her, our pathways here. But you know, I tell people, you know, don’t diet, you know, when you’re hungry, chill out, when you’re not, um, relax, always practice some sort of, um, fasting, you know, uh, remember the body when it’s in a building state when there’s calories around it, can’t repair very important. Understand that from the standpoint of disease. Yeah.
Sorry, what did you say fasting? Like how long do you like fasting, mimicking diet where they’re eating something or don’t eat like, you know, after nine o’clock or whatever, and then don’t eat lunch or how, how do you like to do it?
Well, I prefer, you know, cause it’s easiest. I prefer to look targeting people to an 18 hour fast a couple times a week if they do three times a week and that looks like about 6:00 PM to about noon. And yes, people say, can you have a cup of coffee? Of course have some black coffee if that’s what you want. Right. Just don’t put any, any substance in there like cream, but a general rule. If you can do that and get 18 hours and then not eat in a three hour window prior to going to sleep well, you’re going to do well. So take pressure off and just do that a little formula there. Uh, there’s all kinds of products out there. There’s a fasting, mimicking diet. There’s, longer-term fasting. There’s other terms that people use, but two or three times a week, if you do do that, without question you’ll have, you’ll have a lot more positive results because we’re accomplishing from a science point, what we really need to do now. Um, there’s lists that I give people here they are, this is, this is our anti-inflammatory foods. And I just like, there it is.Â
And I tell people to select wisely, I don’t give them limitations. I don’t say no more than, or no less than I just say, this is your selection list. And just a quick point of note, low-glycemic non root, non starchy. If someone is obese rabbit, excess adipose tissue in the frame, we’ve gotten lower that glycemic load and therefore it’s going to lower insulin output. And just remember when we’re measuring insulin in labs folks, when that’s elevated persistently, you cannot lose weight. Air is not going to happen. Insulin is a building hormone. Think Islam in your mind as a fat storing hormone. So if you eat like this, you’re going to drive down the insulin, which gives you more platform regardless of peptides, to be able to access fat tissue for utilization or for fuel, you put peptides on this. It absolutely causes the success to go up.Â
And these that I’ve got listed here are generally speaking. And I use the word general. Anti-inflammatory just wanted to give you a place to start. We have to look at the inflammatory foods and here they are. You know, clearly I know the ones on the, the left side would be like this low hanging fruit. Well, of course they are. And then you’ve got that, uh, caffeine and alcohol. That can be a variable because some people genetically metabolize either or very quickly. And there are people that can get some benefit, perhaps from a little bit of red wine and alcohol. There’s, there’s some benefit there. So, but if we do anything too much, we could have problems. Uh, breads and grains probably are the ones that people have the most trouble with. Uh, just a side note when they are a digested in a belly right now because of their genetic modification, they create these substances that act like morphine in the brain they’re called exorphins. And those things will bind to your receptors in your brain and making you feel really good and not feel pain. And so that’s why they’re addicting to everybody. And that’s what, when you say something, somebody give up your brains, grains and breads there. They’re going to look at you like you’re from Mars or something, but
Yeah, just a little side dough with NutraSweet. So I, my family stutters a lot and I was just stuttering so bad. I could not answer a cell phone. I didn’t carry a cell phone cause I would just set our [inaudible] and I read an article on NutraSweet causing stuttering, went off at about two weeks later. I stopped stuttering. And if I accidentally get some NutraSweet, it, I start stuttering. But it is very hard to get off. It is cytotoxic, but it shows how, what a toxin it is. It causes a stuttering.
Yeah. And these, these substances in our, in our body that are generated from our food supply. I mean, we know I use air quotes, the environmental protection agency. I mean, I’m not sure there’s any protection about that. Cause all of these thousands of chemicals and five digits are released, you know, every year and we don’t have studies on them. They say, well, this little bit won’t hurt you. But honestly can’t, I mean, you’re talking about stacking the deck and so a little bit becomes spot and it just it’s what teachers, people over the edge. And so, you know, I found that the people just do these two slides is, you know, just bring in anti-inflammatory foods, remove most probable inflammatory foods and they get better just with that, you know, no diet just with that and just follow the principles. Um, I tell people that too, that it’s really important, understand that, you know, don’t, don’t use exercise and try to exercise the way a bad diet that won’t work either because that’s just going to create more inflammation. I, I tell this story all the time of, I call her bootcamp, mom bootcamp, mom goes to bootcamp five days a week, twice a day and can’t lose any weight.Â
Well she’s chronically inflamed because of the, the stress she’s putting her body under chronically upregulating M Tor chronically building and your body is in a fat loss resistance mode. So certainly, you know, this brings us back to, to this guy. You know, our pathways here remember have to balance four days a week with the IGF one up regulators and that was with Sermorelin or CJC at Memorial. And then we use our BPC finest and beta four or Mont. And the protocol that I gave you to upregulate autophagy three days a week by just using the protocol. And I gave you that’s it real simple. This is the results that we’ve gone over the last 12 months of over 400 men and women we’ve tracked this. They will lose two to 3% body fat reduction for women in 30 days. And men sometimes get three to four and this for them an is a game changer because I’ve already told you the percentage of this obesity that’s in our world and I let the results speak where they may. And, and so people ask me, does this work? Yes. How often? 100% of the time. And I’m very confident about that. There’s nothing. Um, wow. You know, you look at pep tides, there’s no negative right. Using them like this. It’s great. And you’re going to get results. Right?
I love it. And if these results came out as a pharmaceutical weight loss med, Oh my God, it’d be all over the news and would be a billion dollar med.
Well, here’s the cool thing though. And we all, I think we all can get this. I mean, all of our listeners right now said, I want that. I want to do that. You can, it’s not that hard. You know, it’s not expensive. You just got to like invest yourself in a process that works. And when we talk about reversal disease processes already stated that if you can reduce obesity and use this protocol, obviously if obesity causes disease or it’s associated with them, however you want to look at that, then when we lower obesity or matter of fact, eliminate it, which is my goal. Then these, these processes by association would go down and then you have these necessity that when we had this, these processes of medications being used, you would eliminate the necessity. And of course at that point, I’m sure big pharma would not be happy, but, uh, Mark and Michelle is sure. Be really happy because I want to see this fixed because
Yeah, we’re really getting killed as a nation or as a world is the diseases of aging, right? Yeah. So it’s obesity ties into that and I find it really interesting. You look at chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme, autism, and obesity, diabetes. You had the same
Sure. Everything matches, doesn’t it?
Yeah. And so it’s like, instead of like, Oh, you get this drug, you get this drug, it’s getting at the underlying because it’s, it’s, there’s commonality there, significant commonality.
I want to see a world where, and that’s why I was so just really keyed up to talk about this subject because I dream of a world where people, um, become, and I hope people hear this fat gain resistant and gonna say it one more time, fat gain resistant, because that is normal. You look at pictures that were, you know, 75, 80, a hundred years old. Did you see people that were struggling with this obesity thing? It was rare. And when someone would go to the doctor in those days, I would present them. I didn’t live back then. Although it seems like, uh, older than that. But, uh, you know, the bottom line is I’m sure that the doctor would say, Oh my goodness, Kent, look, this is serious. You’re gaining too much weight.Â
This is associated with all these disease processes. And they would be genuinely concerned about that. But today we go to go to the clinic and we see, you know, and again, this is encouragement. We see doctors, we see staff that same way with cookies, donuts, hohos and sodas. They’re in the lobby for free and it’s not conducive to even health. It’s an obesogenic environment. Whereas today, if you begin to lose way and I’m encouraging people to absolutely put this protocol in or do it, it will work. But when you lose weight, be prepared because you’re going to have people ask you the question, Hey, yeah, you’re getting little skinny, you got cancer. You know, it’s really odd. The way it works, it’s flipped. But, um, as I like to say, become an outcast, becoming an unusual person, um, become someone that’s maybe considered maybe a radical or a freak because look, we need more radicals and freaks like can’t hold horsemen the world so that we can, uh, have changed because man, we need it.Â
We’re exporting this obesity in the United States of America. It’s the fastest growing noncommunicable disease on the planet today. This is a problem. And if you eliminate it, I don’t think, I mean, the timing of this, we’re talking about a COBIT pandemic serious, but we probably would not be having this discussion if our immune system were healthy, based upon our lifestyle rather than unhealthy, based upon our lack of proper lifestyle.
No, I totally agree. And do you find, I think you see patients, they go and they exercise and they diet and nothing happens. Yeah. Okay.
Screw it. Yeah. Yeah.
I know. And so it sounds like you can really love the program. I can see how that just would work and it’s not drastic, you know? And, uh, and we’re all of a sudden, they’re like I’m getting results, which then fuels the motivation and you’re seeing changes because yeah. You go to the gym every day and again, three pounds.
Yeah. I had a guy come in, uh, this is, this is a couple that came in and we’ve been working with him about, uh, coming up on a year now. Uh, and they’re in their sixties, right? So there are no spring chickens, right. So I can say that I’m good. But, um, he, the male in this period, he put on 12 pounds of lean body, mass 12, and he was just doing the same program and he lost 16 pounds of fat mass. His percent body fat, completely turned around his wife. On the other hand, she put on seven pounds and this is cool. Seven pounds of lean body mass completely reversed. And they talk about this osteoporosis. So she went from a minus two to one, shocking in a 12 month period. And she lost 20 pounds of fat mass. We saw them. And I just, I mean, I don’t see them all the time cause they come in about every three or four months, but it blew my mind. And I actually, um, actually cried, you know, I’m kind of an emotional guy. I cried because it, it made me feel really, um, well good because you know, our job is to really is, is to bring healing to people’s lives. It’s never was intended to, to, to manage anything. I mean, we’re supposed to help people for God’s sake, not keep them where they are. And so that’s why, you know, I think if we really would embrace this philosophy that we have, it would work better.
Yeah. I think it was a very different philosophy. And you look at, you know, they go to the endo, whatever they give this phosphonates, you know, and which basically,
Well, your cells from breaking down
Old bone and putting new bone on top of old bone and people get femur fractures and all this, but you’ve shown what you were saying is that all of a sudden you reduce the inflammation and go do a building, uh, you know, a basically system instead of breaking down, like you build bones.
Exactly. And you know, the bisphosphonates don’t, I mean, they might stop osteoclastic activity, but they’re not gonna, they’re not gonna start osteoblastic activity, which basically is bone building for everyone. But the bottom line is like, uh, you know, I’ve got a pen here, but they’re just going to make the bones more stiff and they’re going to break easier, like an old kit we used to have in school, you know, something a little better on X. Right. But it’s not healthy. No.
Or w what’s your thought on statins?
Yeah, Stanton’s I think, um, as opposed to some thing, I don’t think they belong in our water supply. I think that’s a mistake. And I think certainly from what I’ve seen, genetically speaking, I think they tied directly to the, um, the Alzheimer’s increase clearly. And I think that, um, I’ve had incredible success, not using them because I think the only data out there is a little bit that would fly towards the secondary prevention, but not primary prevention. And so I’ve had really good success using Reggie’s rice and those things like that, and really seeing the lipid, uh, expand in size inflammation, go down. So even with the protocol we just gave you, I mean, I’m going to go there, but we’re not going to use Staten drugs.Â
And we have a heck of a time convincing someone because honestly, if we suppress, uh, the, the induction or synthesis synthesis of cholesterol, I mean, what did we just do? We just, we just suppressed the ability of our vitamins hormones. That really, I mean, this goes right in the face of what you just talking about. Osteoporosis women lose bone when they reach menopause because of those hormones. Well, now we’re just creating a situation where we’re going to lose bone quicker. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I mean, I know the cardiologist might not care about the, um, the bone or it might not the brain, but I do, I care about it
And it is. And I think all the studies are showing that they thought, Oh, give it to everyone. And it’s really narrow in they’re showing like even elderly diabetics would be you think the ideal? Oh, no, it doesn’t help. I mean, it lowers mitochondrial.
You betcha and yeah.
Memory loss, muscle aches. Cause you’re, you’re destroying the energy of the cells and it’s so under reported people go have these muscle aches. Oh, don’t worry about it.
No time all the time. And it’s disgusting to me because people come in here with, uh, you know, they got familial history of dementia and all this and, and they’re on a statin drug and they’re told, they’re honestly told, Hey, you can eat anything you want. As long as you keep your LDL at 70,
They go in the doctor does a CBC, a chem panel and a cholesterol. And the patient’s self worth is based on their cholesterol level. Their doctor goes, I gave you this pill, look at your cholesterol. Oh, it’s great. I, it, you didn’t do them a favor.
It’s kind of like, you know, and this is going to sound a little bit contrary to, I, I don’t mind when I see a lab panel, can’t where LDL is elevated. Cause there’s, there’s a reason for it. It gives me an idea, something to go look at, but I need to look at oxidized LDL. I need to look at MPO LPP LA and for our listeners, those are other markers. You know, I want to look at the, the fractionated, the particle size down to see what it is, um, that tells me everything, you know, but the LDL to sort of act on that in any way as, or having the ability to make a clinical decision on that. I don’t think it’s there. I would consider that that marker by itself is pretty worthless. I agree. You look at the study. So
People with lowest cholesterol, earliest heart attacks, and also any depressants, two to three fold, increased risk for osteoporosis, you know, do the doctors ever tell them that no, they freak out when you’re there.
Yeah. A lot of the medicines we take, there’s a, there’s a website out there. If anybody wants to write this down, it’s it’s really cool. It’s called my and M Y T a V I N M Y T a V I N a.com. And you can type in any medications you’re taking right now. And it will spit out the nutrients that are depleted with references. And boy, if you’d know anything, if your clinician knows anything about biochemistry or genetics and stuff like that, you can clearly see whole entire pathways becoming dysfunctional based upon not a side effect, the effect of medications. Now we’re not talking about side effects. We know this. So it’s expected to, and we have to replace that just to get it back to ground zero or a homeostatic balance set point, not to mention what we might want to be doing. So this, this is a big deal.Â
So I hope people will even utilize that website. Yeah. And I mean, you look at the commercials of medications, that’s causes death and death. And I know a doctor tells all his patients, he goes, I can take out my prescription pad and kill you and I, nothing will happen. But if I had to arm you with this functional medicine, I’m going to be in big trouble, you know, that’s right. And a big difference. Just a couple. Yeah. We’re, I’m getting close to time here, but you mentioned EMF. Yup. Um, just real quickly thoughts on five G are you freaked out about it? It’s going to be horrible. You know, I think it could be actually, but I think that we need to look at it from a, uh, sort of a soup sort of a viewpoint. When you fell that in a soup, that’s already a mill, you have of a quagmire of mess. It’s going to exacerbate it many times. We, you know, yes. EMF does affect our bodies in a negative way. I mean, we’re all around this stuff.Â
Yes it is. And it’s going to get worse in our environment period. So do we need to take precautions? You asked, maybe move our cell phone to another room and, and, you know, there’s, there’s some ways we can shield it with sheets and stuff like that. Yes. All those are good. But I think that the bigger picture needs to be addressed. All these things, you know, there are food or stress or sleep or lifestyle or exercise, you know, the way we manage things, do we take a vacation? Did we go stand on the sand with her feet in the water and just dream a little bit, you know, get some sunshine that all matters. So, you know, I think that from the standpoint of five G or EMF, yes, it’s going to be more negative. But the thing, one thing I think that’s right. You know, like the chronic Lyme patients, like if someone just says Lyme, they’re probably fine. You bet the symptoms add emotional stress.Â
We’ll just straw, the immune system, um, mold, I mean, you know, and it’s definitely, it’s a vicious cycle, I think too. Yeah. And does your program work for healthy people also chronically ill? Um, what type of range do you obviously I think the prerequisite for someone that I want to work with and my wife wants to work with is I got to want to get, well, I mean, they gotta, they gotta have the mindset that I believe I can get. Well, and the second big prerequisite, and this is probably the hardest ones they had to be willing to unlearn some things, unlearn. Some things like the doctors we train. Yeah. It’s like, okay, we’ve got so ingrained and put a play on words, ingrained in something, you know, that we just can’t get out. It’s like those neurological ruts gets so deep where we just do them.Â
We don’t even know why, but if some of them was to get well and then want to unlearn and perhaps learn some really cool stuff about how to optimize health program works for everybody, because it’s not something that’s specific, healthy people, only anybody can exercise. Exercise is sort of defined as just moving isn’t it right? Dedicated movement. Anybody can use peptides. Awesome. Anybody can change their diet. Anybody can work on sleep, anybody can learn this stuff. And so it does work for everybody. And I really, we work with people that are, you know, younger that are getting too much fat in their system and work people that are older, they’re getting too much fat in their system. And, uh, and even people that don’t have fat that want to grow muscle and lose excess fat. It, yeah. This, these principles do work.
I, I, I think it’s great. And I think the days of just going to your doctor, so my doctor gave me this pill, you know, and I think patients really need to take an active participation in their health. And unfortunately the way the medical system, I mean, standard doctors are not bad people. They’re in a bad system.
Yeah, that’s right. And so it’s gotta be a partnership, right?
Yeah. It’s like, I can’t say hello in nine minutes or whatever they have, you know, it’s like, Oh, here’s a pill go away. So
No need to have a box of tissues in your office, because if you can connect on all those pain points and they do shed tears, that means you’ve gotten through life. And so I’ve got a big box of tissues right behind the screen here.
It, it really sounds like, I think it sounds like you really connect with your patients and I can see you’ve had so many success stories and, um, and your face lights up talking about it and I love it. And it’s just wonderful to see. Um, uh, I just, I, I don’t know with theater dog, I just get so mad when I hear care that patients have gotten, especially like we treat a little chronic chronically ill and the way they’re treated. Um, but I did say, I love it. You have this dynamic
And like, you’re going to help them and you do it. Yeah.
And it doesn’t seem that hard.
It’s not. And I think this, we gotta like get out of this thing. We’re identifying ourself with sick, you know, instead of my name’s Mark and I happened to be a naturopathic doctor, people identifying so I’m diabetic and it becomes a damage skews, quite frankly. And we set our bar about that high instead of our bar up here, this is, this is healing. This is where we are. And we think this is the only place where you can get. And the thing about doing that as you might just reach it, if that’s your goal. And so we got to learn to identify ourself as optimal function. I like to say, I’m, you know, I’m a, I’m a great husband. I’m a great friend. I’m a great father. And I live in optimal health. I’m not going to say I’m hypertensive diabetic or demented. I mean, that doesn’t make sense. That changes my whole chemistry within my person.Â
I love it. I can just see patients smiling walking out of your office. Um, yeah. I love it. Thank you so much. I think this, uh, all this information I think is just invaluable, uh, for our listeners and I, I, I thank you for, uh, taking the time. Um, I just think you’re awesome person and someone’s knowledge. That’s really figured it out and they’re still learning and I don’t, I don’t have it all figured out yet, but I’m still trying to unlearn and learn too. So we’re in this together. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. And, um, have a, have a great rest of the week. And again, thanks for, thanks for being on. Thank you, Ken. It’s been an honor.
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